This $7000 Card Does WHAT?? – Holy $H!T

July 31, 2019 posted by


PC gaming hardware is expensive, right? A Core i7 Extreme Edition: $1600. 2 Terabyte 960 Pro NVMe Drive $1,300. Two GTX Titan X PPs we got at $2,400, you add a 128 gigs of RAM, as well as a top-of-the-line motherboard, and yeah… That’ll be $6,800, please. Now, to be clear, I’m not complaining. This is a spectacularly first world problem, but pro video production gear is on a whole freakin other level. Let me put it in perspective: this one PCI Express card costs as much as all that stuff I just listed combined. All of it! This is the Red Rocket X, a state-of-the-art creation tool and simultaneously a relic of a bygone era. A $7000 coprocessor card. Welcome to Holy $H!T! [intro music] Cooler Master’s 25th anniversary Edition Cosmos 2 features a unique dual curved tempered glass side panel Check it out now at the link below. Ok so as many of you are probably aware, we moved to Red Digital cinema cameras earlier this year in an effort to bump up our production values. And I mean let’s be honest, we’re enthusiasts to give Brandon and Mack some new toys to play with. But have you ever actually tried to work with Red Code raw footage before? As Taryn would put it, it’s a nightmare! At full 8K, on a 10 core Extreme edition processor, with a $5,000 Nvidia Quadro P6000 graphics card, this is what timeline performance looks like. You see those delays as I’m scrubbing around? And even straight playback performance is abominable. It’s not like it’s our 10 gigabit network connection bottlenecking us either. We’re nowhere near saturating it. No, it’s the CPU! Even though we’re scaling across all 20 of our threads, we are still running out of processing power, and we haven’t even added any Lumetri Color, yet either. That’s only going to make matters worse. Throw that into the picture and now we are dropping about 90% of our frames, while dealing with 1/4 to 1/3 of a second delay, when we’re trying to move the playhead around on the timeline. Ridiculous! And both our CPU and GPU are basically maxed. You actually need to drop your preview quality all the way down to 1/8, in order to get what I would consider to be acceptable performance with much lower usage. True to form though, Red Digital cinema has a solution for you! Are you unhappy with your editing experience or the footage from your $50,000 camera? Buy this expansion card to accelerate it! Available now for 7,000 easy payments of only $1! Call now and we’ll throw in this… nothing! Absolutely free because we’re Red and f’ing your wallet is more than just our job, it’s our passion. But what is this thing? What does it even do? Well, we can figure out a little bit on our own. So there’s some kind of processor here that’s under 150 watts of total power consumption, based on the single slot cooler and the single six pin power connector back here. There’s some memory on board, so we can see those chips arranged around the chip here. And the dual Displayport ports are so it can actually function as a video output device. Though, our workload necessitates a powerful GPU anyway. So we won’t be using it that way. And the main purpose of this thing, anyway, is to accelerate: decoding, scaling and debayering of our 3D files. The first two, I think are fairly self-explanatory. But the last one is the process of reconstructing a full-color image from incomplete color samples that are captured by the sensor in a raw recording format. But they give us no actual details about the hardware, other than some nebulous 5x performance claim relative to their own first-generation Red Rocket. But why would this older chip based on older process node technology compare to a GPU running CUDA be better at any of that stuff. I mean Red even supports CUDA acceleration in their own Cine X desktop application. Is this thing even relevant today? So, with it installed, we throw on the latest drivers and … I don’t know. It’s kind of… it’s kind of weird. There’s no configuration utility or anything like that, but if you go into device manager, it’s working properly and everything seems fine, so all that’s left to do then, is go into our video editing software and press enable! So this is the same project that we were just looking at, and we’re going to change this “use Rocket” drop-down to all available. At full quality, my CPU is still tilt and now I’m seeing 90% GPU usage even with Lumetri color disabled. What? Okay, well now hold on just a minute here. Surely there must be something wrong Let’s try disabling the Rocket, just to see if we can get back to where we started. Now, hold on… this doesn’t make sense either. With it disabled our timeline scrubbing looks better than ever, our CPU usage is way down and even our GPU usage is under control now. But we are still dropping some frames, far fewer though. Well Red only advertises the Rocket X of being capable of handling up to 6K footage. So maybe what we’re looking at here makes sense, if somehow it’s enabled. Dropping then down to half quality in the preview window yields perfect playback without Lumetri color. Let’s check that out. Ok. And… alright turning it on… well, it looks like we are still dropping some frames in that case. But that’s probably caused then by a GPU bottleneck, because you can see our Quadro is sitting at around 80 to 85% usage. So, then finally as a last step, we drop down to 1/4 quality. And that’s looking great! Acceptable CPU and GPU usage and a much nicer looking timeline than what we were able to achieve without the Red Rocket X. But in a lot of ways, this actually raises a lot more questions than it answers. Why would disabling our add-in card give me the best possible editing experience? Is it just a snake-oil hardware key to run an improved GPU acceleration algorithm? So I actually spent a couple of weeks investigating this, because timeline performance has genuinely been an issue for us But, investing in one of these for each of our editors, would be a whopping $35,000 total and here’s what I found. First, some backup for what we already knew. Without the Red Rocket X Red Coat raw footage loves CPU cores, knocking my extreme edition down to six cores yielded dropped frames even at only one-quarter quality. But more cores only carries you so far. A 22 core Xeon like this cost more, significantly slashes single core performance, and doesn’t even approach the performance improvement from the Rocket X installed, but disabled in Premiere. So then, the ideal 8K video editing configuration is a 10 core with a Quadro and a Red Rocket X disabled, right? Maybe not. Is the Quadro at over four times the price really accelerating this process any better than a high-end Geforce card would? We’ll be moving to an HDR workflow sometime in Q4. Expect an update on that. So we need 10-bit color over Displayport, a traditional Quadro feature, but that was actually added to Geforce a while back. And the results here are fascinating. Our Titan X Pascal, despite it’s nearly identical on paper specs to our Quadro P6000, is able to use its sky high, nearly 1800 Megahertz boost clocks to reduce GPU usage, lower our drop frames and even drop CPU usage a little bit, at our target 1/4 playback quality. It even almost managed to pull off half playback quality. Both GPUs, by the way, were run with their power sliders cranked and power saving mode disabled. So then having finished running all of these numbers, I came to the same conclusion that Red support did get back and give me: Premiere is just being Premiere, disabled is enabled and enabled is borked. And as for an optimal workstation configuration, well it turns out the Rocket X does do something for users with 8k footage, even though it’s not rated for it. 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100 Comments

100 Replies to “This $7000 Card Does WHAT?? – Holy $H!T”

  1. RangerRivet says:

    Really? "Red Rocket"?
    NOBODY saw an issue with calling it that?

  2. Austin Keller says:

    '7000 easy payments of $1' fucking killed me laughing dude

  3. FamBoy says:

    Linus: Our Quadro is sitting at 80%
    Opens task manager.
    Where TF is graphics card? All I can see is Ethernet. Around 7:25

  4. angel milton says:

    Linus what is going on with your thumbnails?? They’re weird, sometimes I don’t want to click on the video lol

  5. Wer Was says:

    What gaming rig needs 128GB Ram ?

  6. Michael Kaba says:

    Can the human eye even see in 8k? I would think there would be biological limits. Just googled it (I know that is not bonified research). Seems science is leaning to 4k as the biological limit for human eye sensitivity.

  7. Zaire Brown says:

    Neopets.

  8. Luis Sanchez Films says:

    what do you Recommend for the best 4K Video Editing Graphic Card?

  9. brock says:

    i just need to know why 8k rr footage is necessary for youtube when most of ur viewers are stuck on 1080p i think im missing something

  10. clintinterface says:

    u guys still using it?

  11. Eric Thompson says:

    Wouldn't it just be better to stick with 4k footage?

  12. handofstand says:

    Aren't you animals satisfied with 4K? Damn!!!

  13. sithmir says:

    Ur just using windows 10, this is y ur computer is slow x'D lol not kidding, windows 10 was coded with the butt

  14. Nick Tyrin says:

    Is is so convenient that you make your ads 10 sec long exactly

  15. ELLIOTT says:

    Come on!! Its serious pro gear! Ofc its gonna be expensive. Quit complaining about your state of the art system and use it if you want, and use somthing cheaper if you dont like it. Its gear for Hollywood for crying out loud. Its not even like 8k, even 4k at that, is gonna make any difference on YouTube.

  16. Divyam Rawal says:

    Can it play mario

  17. triynizzles says:

    Wouldn't the easiest way to tell if the red rocket does anything is to enable it and then see if it heats up?

  18. Borsalino Kizaru says:

    One of those things where Red sells a solution but makes it way too expensive. You can get a Mac Pro with the afterburner for cheaper than that thing.

  19. Joshua Hardy says:

    Probably some sort of FPGA….

  20. Mohammad Zaid says:

    But why 8k? I believe 99% of us watch at <= 720p

  21. Denis Parent says:

    for a 7k card I expect being towed to the moon.

  22. Alcorex InGame says:

    All our 20 threads… Me: ,,laughts in 2019 noises''
    We are in the verge to get an 64 core Enthusiast CPU

  23. Milosz Hartel says:

    this graphics card causes the computer to explode XD

  24. CyclerTeam Officials says:

    When he say holy sht he split

  25. Vector Corp says:

    8:57 nice nails, person.

  26. Aadil Farooqui says:

    Red – "Fucking you Wallet is more than just our Job, It's our Passion"
    Switch to Us now

    *Kidney Buyers are Provided too

  27. Yo Mama says:

    I bet that shitty card cost less than 2k now

  28. Fatty Corpuscle says:

    Red creates the problem and markets a solution. Brilliant!

  29. Rombout Versluijs says:

    Hahahah "welcome to HOLYSHIT!" the guy turns red saying it outloud! hahaha EPIC

  30. Rombout Versluijs says:

    Your waisting money man!!! Why use RED for [email protected]#@#G youtube anyway?!? Complete overkill, better give that money to charity and use 2k or perhaps 4k. Think about how much money you save, time you save and a headache! RED for youtube is kinda bullshit i think, perhaps if you really do cinematography it can make up perhaps, but for freaking studio setups and rather simple shots, your waisting time and tons of money.

  31. Elias Ortiz says:

    Anybody else go to fuckingyourwallet.com?

  32. Abdulrahman Alkhatib says:

    Only Fallout fan veterans will understand.

  33. Marc Ritz says:

    What is the point in trying to have the preview screen be at full resolution playback when that quarter of a monitor screen only actually has 1/8 of the video's resolution?

    If it's still not fluid enough, use a proxy workflow

  34. arkansasvinny says:

    Linus, hate to tell you that RED has probably ripped you off with that RED Rocket card.. Just watched “Jinni.Tech” take apart some RED MINI-MAG SSDs.. and the guts inside were low grade entry level off the shelf ASATA cards. $200 parts that they sell for $2,500!! I bet if you take apart your Red Rocket, you will find some crap in there! Probably an i5 processor or components of a GX750!! RED has been called out for their rip off lies!! Do some follow up investigation!!

  35. Viewfinder Media says:

    I love this video.

  36. MWB Gaming says:

    RED = Apple

  37. robert4you says:

    Is 8K really that important? On YouTube? Even 4K is overkill…

  38. peterjordan1977 says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEzLDqELh70

  39. Rob Wisdom says:

    You should see this about RED! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5YeX3hU6o4 rip off artist and con.

  40. Dalavi Tang says:

    Maybe you would (not) want to check out the RED MINI-MAG videos from Jinni Tech?

  41. BKsniperguy says:

    Epic bruh moment

  42. Logan Carey says:

    Basically Linus lost all credibility after this video. To many lies lol

  43. Tristan Tejero says:

    bogo linus ulol bahog tae bwesit yawa

  44. Timothy Perdue says:

    So…Yeah…red rocket…I wouldn't pay that much for such a silly name. Good lord!

  45. Montydog9 says:

    The reason red files are hard to run is because I bet ur using a really low compression rate. 20:1 is good for YouTube

  46. Matt Thro says:

    Have you taken this card apart and looked into what red is really doing with Their video cards. They are making parts of their admittedly great products intentionally harder to use to sell more of other products.

    Check out this video on their mini MAG.

  47. M. Xylianix says:

    Is it the Same Scam like the RED MINI-MAG "Custom" SSD and Firmeware?

  48. Bryan Bagayas says:

    Coming from the RED Mini Mag fiasco? Welcome lol

  49. Izzy says:

    is something wrong with the audio or is just me? it sounds like a "buzzzz" every time Linus is talking.

  50. Ali Mehmet says:

    RED? Sounds like scam.

  51. ShrikeGFX says:

    given REDs history of repackaging low tier products, claming they did it and putting a 50x markup, its probably some low tier card in a new hull, with 6800$ markup

  52. Ricardo Pesenti says:

    Hardware for 200 bucks, sold for 7k…

  53. 5Ft Giraffe says:

    This linus guy is a troublemaker.

  54. Kyle Witter says:

    That’s cause it’s RED

  55. JON HAM HANDS says:

    Red rocket eh? 😉😉😉

  56. Aiham Al-Slahi says:

    U should have checked the wattage usage before and after … then u would know how much of a “ work “ does it add to the workflow

  57. luca coakley says:

    Taren gets it

  58. Spooksville Scoob says:

    Is this another repurposed 3rd party Chinese card with a fancy aluminum cover, like Red's ripoff Mag Cards?

  59. JackSpeed 439 says:

    Does Red use software updates to software hamstring your editing equipment unless it detects it’s own hardware?

  60. c0reFTW says:

    Fucking your wallet is our passion

  61. Hehe XD says:

    3:42 now thats not child friendly is it?

  62. Max Dauer says:

    Red rocket

  63. Dark Lord Popo says:

    Linus: 8k
    Me:
    cries in 240p

  64. Askejm says:

    1:07 Welcome to holy spit

  65. TallboyDude says:

    me whit my gtx 660 :
    i mean we dont need those guys do we ?!

  66. ThexWITCHxMaster says:

    Holy Fuck…😮.

  67. Kperks says:

    This frame rates are better then mine when I play Minecraft😢

  68. yoshy 262 says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5YeX3hU6o4

  69. Gawayne says:

    I think that when you enable the red rocket then it uses it as the primary gpu. So your quodro is then disabled.

  70. Narcissistic Red says:

    Almost as much as I paid to build my new rig in 2019…

  71. Ahmed AlShamsi أحمد الشامسي says:

    Editting it in 8K and paying 7k for a card to help him edit it and Im here watching the video at 360p

  72. stonent says:

    Red Rocket looks like a FirePro card.

  73. 연지쿤 YeonJiKun says:

    3:28 Wait, is he bleeding on his nose?

  74. MrBroxMan says:

    My pc barely scratched $800(bought during the mining apocalypse) and oh my god, i wouldn't dream of spending that much money on a pc that i will have to upgrade in 2 years.

  75. MrBroxMan says:

    2:23 i thought i pushed my GPU to the max again and is artifacting . lol

  76. stuCameraman1 says:

    Why oh why are you using a red 'Cinema' camera for a youtube channel? By the time it hits youtube it's going to look like it was shot on a 4k panasonic gh5. Its like fitting a subaru turbo engine to a Moped….pointless!
    I see the same with other Gamers-turned-video-makers……'the higher the spec numbers and cost is better with youtube production?…..NO! You could easily shoot with a sony fs5 camera and nobody would know the difference! What a waste of a beautiful cinema camera. 😭😭😭

  77. Jrflyer 07 says:

    can it game?

  78. ryama 86 says:

    but does it play dark souls?

  79. IAN DUCAO says:

    but can it run crysis?

  80. Tech View says:

    Don’t let max put it on a test bench 😂😂

  81. Ferdie Adlwn says:

    and still watching this in 360p

  82. Soumik Sen says:

    Holy shit + spit @1:09 …. Linus means business.

  83. World Wide Music says:

    most people watch your videos 480p, on 6" screen
    Spend money on something useful bro…

  84. arcticizza12 says:

    I like how "FUCKING" text is not even censored.

  85. saifullah qureshi says:

    i watch these kinda videos so that i can fall asleep immediately……im sleepy now all thanks to you

  86. xXTkillXx says:

    I found one that's not really for gaming specifically but its 14K

  87. xXTkillXx says:

    all I want is a pc with like 4 of those

  88. The unknown Guy says:

    who saw him spit when he said Holy $h!t

  89. Λ Ξ R O W Λ T T S T U D I O S says:

    did anyone else notice a credit card number, hope its fake

  90. Kijas says:

    11:25. You guys are spending $1000sss for video. But your audio is clipping bro!

  91. manzoor Athar says:

    So Linus is a fan of Peter gade.

  92. Potato Crash says:

    I use Sony Vegas Pro 17

  93. Kato Klinck says:

    Who the hell would edit 8k raw without massively crunching the preview quality

  94. Michael Dean says:

    Don't most video editing programs preview at 1/4th or 1/8th?

  95. BewareTheIdes says:

    Or you could just get a Mac and use Final Cut. Without spending all that money and having all those problems. You can edit 8k raw footage on a MacBook Pro using Final Cut with more than 30 FPS in the preview.

  96. Corvo277 says:

    I've seen better acting in Ax 'Em

  97. Para Dux says:

    Linus, you need to talk with trent palmer, about this. He completely is aboard the the 4k red raw bandwagon. Maybe because he has unlimited resources concerning editing. I would like to hear more on how and "who" does his video editing for him, because he is not doing it himself.

  98. In Vino Veritas says:

    Do this video again with the AMD 3900X (or the 3950X when its out) :p

  99. Not Associated says:

    Do you think this card will bottleneck my pentium e2180?

  100. Avox7Gaming says:

    U talking about 8k my res goes down to 144p

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